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- From: HAAVARD JAKOBSEN <haa_jako@gih.no>
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
- Subject: Re: New slot box Amiga
- Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 15:10:29 +0100
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- G. Baldwin wrote:
- >
- > Noah I Rosenberg (integral@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
- > : Fabian Jimenez (fabian@cais.cais.com) wrote:
- > : : George Noel (gnoel@morgan.ucs.mun.ca) wrote:
- >
- > : : Anyhow, this new unit will have an EC 030 cpu at
- > : : 40 mhz and two simm slots on the motherboard. Also, it will have an
- > : : expansion bus that will allow the plugging in of more slots (zorro or
- > : : pci?), video cards and other components. The key is that it will be
- > : : modular and the basis of the design on the PowerAmiga due in 1997.
- >
- > : : Go to http://www.amiga.de and follow the links to the Press Releases for
- > : : Gilles' exact words. I just wonder though about using 030s, aren't 060s
- > : : cheap enough?
-
- Motorola isn't making enough of the to make them cheap, and phase5 has
- ordered
- thousends of chips that they are still waiting for.....
-
- > : About half the messages posted in this newsgroup, c.s.a.games,
- > : g.s.a.multimedia, etc., are about 060 compatability problems with old
- > : software. Yu see like about 50 new messages a week. Maybe 3 new messages
- > : about problems with '030. Why wouldAT want to release a machine that was
- > : just gonna have problems running everything, and call it official?
-
- Fuck backwards compability on hardwarebanging stuff...
-
- > The reason nobody cares is because a good number of these programs that
- > have compatability problems are games (as you said).
- >
- > It seems to be a competition with Amiga game developers on who can make
- > the game with the least compatability, and on who can make the game that
- > hacks the OS and bangs the hardware the most. This is why people who got
- > A1200s found that many of their older games would crash. OCS/ECS wasn't
- > there anymore - that self-modifying code would bomb when your caches were
- > on - those demos would falter when their raster times were different from
- > being put on DblPAL and not regular PAL screens.
- >
- > Simple points
- > - 95% of all programs that work fine with an 030 with caches on and with
- > 32-bit FAST-MEM will work with an 040 or 060.
- >
- > - excluding games and demos, over 90% of Amiga software made latter than
- > 1990 works fine with an 020 to 060.
- >
- > - Only 40% of nonAGA games work with an 020 or 030 with caches on. Less
- > than 35% will work with an 040 with copyback mode on. A good deal
- > won't even work if you have KS 2.x or higher. Perhaps 60%-80% work
- > with caches and FAST-MEM off.
- >
- > - Demos are even worse. If you want to run demos on your A1200, you
- > might as well always turn your FAST-MEM and caches off.
- VERY old demos (ecs) did bang and bang and bang the hardware, coz
- it was needed (a500 doesn't actually *fly*). Most newer aga demos
- work with 20/30/40/60..
-
- > So when we design new machines, WHY MUST WE figure in compatability with
- > THESE CRAP PROGRAMS? I say screw them. I wish AT would issue a little
- > more control over these developers. Hardware banging should be left for
- > drivers and low-level libraries, not the games.
-
-
- Me too!!! SCREW CRAP PROGS!! Make new maschines with better HARDWARE,
- and make programmers adjust to the new hardware and don't think about
- the 500,600 users AT ALL!!!! FORCE them to buy a new maschine!!!
- If we want AT to stay in there, we must buy some of their products.
-
- Slotboxes look like a step in the right direction.
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